User whom started this thread (Screen Name/User ID):
R. Daneel Olivaw (R Daneel)
Date of posting:
7 November 2009
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http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=394733&page=7 (#91)

“When asked about God's love and the existence of suffering, the unanimous answer by Christians is this: "God's love is not contradicted by the existence of suffering. Love and necessary suffering are not mutually exclusive. Love and needless suffering would be mutually exclusive.". Well, so far, so good. What they say is not just logical, but also perfectly reasonable.
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Existence makes you suffer. The love of the G-ds will not ask you to suffer. Salvation with purposes. Salvation for a better world and one own merits. Logical because of an undefined term. The love of the G-ds is unconditional. The only condition was given by yourselves/ourselves, but not themselves. “LOVE” contradicted to no ones. “LOVE” contradicted to hates. You try to love your enemies. You will never hate them anymore. The teaching of the Church does not violated our common senses
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“When asked about the apperently needless suffering we all experience (first or second hand) the answer is much less satisfying. The Christians assert that contrary to all appearances, all those horrible sufferings must have some beneficial effects, which more than compensate for the suffering. Of course they can never bring up any specific answer, they just repeat that it is a matter of faith.
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A duck is a duck. It can be anything else in one own imagination. Apparently, it is a duck. Beneath its surface, it is a meat. A specific answer is cannot suit everyone
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“Translated: "if it looks like unnecessary suffering, if it cannot be explained why that suffering is necessary, then it is most probably unnecessary suffering". But Christians have a retort this one, too. They maintain that we are not privy to the information which would explain why those sufferings are actually beneficial, and this lack of information prevents us from forming a proper value judgment. Now this one is sheer cop-out. But, let's accept it provisionally, and examine its ramifications.
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Suffering unnecessarily. Suffering from mental burdens. Spirits cannot be “flee froma physical existence. A proper value judgment belongs to no ones, not even religions. As I used to say, “Morality is a common agreement of the people of the time being.” Of course, religions claim that they are the standard. Nobody can defend your faiths if it is moving away from your heart. An old Chinese proverb saying, “A cow never bows unless it wishes to.
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“1) About the suffering brought forth by natural causes.”
Suffering of others. Sympathy from the churches. Charity and love from the G-ds.
(All G-ds is one, but religion are plural.
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“2) About the suffering caused by human acts . . . But if all the suffering caused by these humans is necessary for some unspecified greater goods, then these people just further God's plan for the victims.”
Suffering by darkness in heart. Suffering of humanity is not only the human being themselves, but the God also.

“3) Lastly, some posters ask if anyone can prove that there is unnecessary evil in the world.
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No evils is necessary. As I used to say, “An evil will demolish the world.
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“According to the acts of the Catholic Church, there is unnecessary suffering in the world. Therefore - according to the acts of the Catholic Church - God allows unnecessary suffering. Therefore - according to the acts of the Catholic Church - God is not "loving".
Think about it."

Thanks. R. Daneel Oliva
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Acts outside. Wisdom inside. Rational thinking is required.
Faith cannot make ourselves full. Faiths may belong to others.
Churches are doing their best
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The nature of the God must be charity and love.
Desires may have driven her away. She does not mean to hurt you
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Thank God. Not admires. BUT advices.
(Jokers in my eyes.
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Saving the environment is a charitable attempt if you would love to join.
The God may not be LOVE in your eyes.
Your BELOVED ones are still living on the EARTH.

(#94)
Glad to hear that. Congratulations for being an English subject.
I am proud of being a Chinese citizen in Hong Kong.

First, morality is a gift from birth. A common agreement varies in history.
It changes from time to time. “Standard for morals” exists in our minds.
As a result, it makes us different from (other) animals
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Second, nobody is outside the will of the God (from our birth until death).
Even in my scientific hypothesis (lives in different levels), indivisibility in-between the God and all of us is solid
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By the way, “spell check” tool in MS-word can do.
Grammar is nothing compare to the meanings inside.
Please put the focus on my main idea and concepts
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Languages divided by boundaries.
Unity of the humankind. Coexistence with the God.
Co-prosperity paragenesis -  In Chinese, “Gòng-róng  Gòng-shēng”
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Light is the initial. Birth is her power. Lives are proofs.

(#97)
OUR God made you in his images. The Earth is billion years old. On the contrary, our history lasts for approximately 4,000 years only
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Light is the initial. Birth is her power. Lives are proofs. She is a supreme being without violating the natural rules. (Note that it is neither deism nor a new religion.) Lives are proofs because of the physical existence of the God as a Conscious Earth. The power of the God comes from birth. Her power is giving us birth. Her love is rearing us until death
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Our civilizations dress us with clothes. Our manner made us a respectable man.
Our indivisibility with the God made us a unity on the Earth
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Globalization is the final stage of evolutions. (Note that this line is my individual opinions. It is not cohesive with my scientific hypothesis, “Lives in different levels”.
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Belief systems have been established. Meanwhile, truth is always ONE.
The God exists in reality
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Complexity in our world. Diversifications of religions
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My main point is, “Physical presences always take the lead.”
Lives are lives in different levels.

(#105)
"Different people have different ages for our Earth and our respective histories. Frankly, I think China has been around as a civilization about 4,000 years. Is that what you meant
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Estimation was made on geometric waves. This method is unreliable.
Rigidity in science takes time
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"OK, here's where our belief systems differ. I respect you choice of what to believe. However, I'd like to point out, that the Creator created all the galaxies, stars, planets, moons, comets, asteroids, metoroids, animal and plant life and seas, mountains...everything; all of these are His creatures, including, the way I see it, the Earth. Both science and Christianity agree that in time, the heavens and the Earth will pass away. Christianity teaches that the Creator and His kingdom will survive the demise of the present heavens and Earth, and that there will be a new heavens and a new earth
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Nobody can challenge your faith unless it is moving from your heart. Mutual respects in religious beliefs create a world of harmony
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"I do believe that physical evidence reveals the Creator and the light is good. Our lives are proofs of our Creator. I believe His power is in His Holy Spirit
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When Light is on, Dark off.
When Dark off, Light is on.
Both Light and Dark come from birth.
They are one, but different
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Both of them have some symbolic meanings in history. Light represented the good side. Dark represented evil side. An Evil is ones’ enemy. A conflict in heart (of the God) resulted in a war in history. Light and Dark in our heart. Both comes from birth
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"I think that our views are comparable, here. We believe that God put us here to, among other things, tend the Earth and all on and in it. We are united in that way, to the Earth
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The God give us a place of rest. By rearing us until death, her NATURE must be charity and love
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"Yes, although of different religions, civilizations and philosophies, I think you and I can agree about what you've just written. Interesting, from different perspectives we can still each see the same generalities
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Peace
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"I can agree, that in appearance, physical presence takes the lead. I think what you write is part of a Materialist perspective, am I correct
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Spiritually speaking, you’re always free. Free will is granted by the God.
Destiny from the God. Fates are in our hands
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"I definitely agree that there are different levels in each life
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Levels of lives laid on our physical presences, not living standard or morality
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"I hope I have not offended you by sharing our Christian thoughts about these points, with you
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Surely not, thanks for your sharing.